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This episode is all about Missing 411
In the next episode we’re going to talk all about Dead Internet Theory.
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Hello and welcome to Episode 11 of Secret Grasp.
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David Pallides, former cop. Wrote several books in a series called Missing 411. Basically thousands of people have gone missing in national parks, nobody knows what happened to them or why. Cases can’t be explained normally by things like animal attacks, heart attacks.
People see seconds before they disappear, one second they’re there and the next they aren’t. Sometimes they reappear, sometimes they don’t.
The phenomenon is not slowing down, it keeps happening.
Thousands of cases
Animal attacks
Human beings involved (kidnapping)
History of mental illness or running away
Not near roads – serial killer isnt likely to drag a 150 lb person out of the woods
Intellectual disabilities like autism
Hunters
Scientists go missing
Both ends of the intellectual spectrum, both dumb and smart.
Usually people wearing brightly colored clothing.
Correlation with German last names
Boulder fields, dry creek beds
Mostly go missing between 2:30 and 6 pm
People go missing in clusters in specific areas. #1 is Yosemite. National parks are the #1 location where people go missing for some reason. 55 clusters in North America alone.
Increase in clusters in Australia recently, #2 behind North America.
Also happens in the UK where there are no natural predators. Some in the 1700s and 1800s
Boulder fields – in legends inhabited by the fae folk
Large bodies of water – closer to water the more likely to happen. Texas has basically no cases, but so are places like Florida.
Disabilities – toddlers, people who have trouble walking, cancer survivors
Disabled archeologist – Colorado dig site. Friend carried his tools. Left him for 20 minutes while digging. His friend came back and he was gone – the guy, tools, everything. This guy was disabled, he can’t just get up and walk away with it.
Mount Rainier – bunch of fit guys. One had altitude sickness and decided to leave early. He stayed back and disappeared. Car still in parking lot.
Just vanish inexplicably
1950s yellowstone – family and teenage son. Stopped on a rock in a bolder field to take a rock out of his shoe. His family went on ahead a little bit but he never caught up, they looked back and he was gone. Just a sock.
2 weeks later another guy disappeared in the same park.
Paradoxical undressing – When people have hypothermia they sometimes take their clothes off. But usually later and in a stupor, not right at the spot where they went missing. Clothing often folded, if you’re about to die you’re not going to fold your clothes.
Sometimes people look like they got raptured. Clothing is there like the person just vanished.
Sometimes clothing shows up months later and doesn’t look weathered at all.
Father at a convention, mother took kids on a hike to see a waterfall in the area. Little boy 3 tired and throwing a fit, went a few feet off the path to look at the waterfall and he’s gone.
Dogs came to search. They usually just sit down, indicating either there’s no more scent or they’re spooked. Bloodhounds are admissible in court as evidence, very good at tracking. Refusing to do their job is very out of the ordinary.
Aderondacks New York – Guy went hiking with son. Son had shorts on and there was poison ivy so he told him to go put long pants on. Went back to cabin. Other group of kids playing saw him. But then he disappeared.
Sometimes people found alive, sometimes not. If found alive, usually have memory loss.
Kids say they hid from helicopters that weren’t there.
Wolf fed berries from the palm of its hand to a girl
A bear took care of him
Consistent qualities of a bear man or wild man, almost like bigfoot
Kids found further away than they can possible travel. A 2 year old is found 12 miles away over some mountains. Or found in areas not reachable by foot, especially for a kid.
When found deceased, cause of death is never determined. Local coroners usually say they die of exposure or hypothermia if anything to soothe the local community so people don’t freak out.
One kid they said was bitten by a mountain lion, but there was no blood, no puncture wounds on skin or clothing.
Usually when people drown they’re found face-down. In these cases, they’re found face-up if found in a body of water. Also found in bodies of water that are 2 or 3 feet deep, not in big lakes or anything.
Bodies found in areas searched by search and rescue teams multiple times, sometimes right back on the trail.
Whatever it is seems like it’s almost toying with people.
Clothes sometimes found folded. Clothing missing but not torn or ripped.
Shoes missing but socks or bare feet have no dirt on them.
79 year old guy experienced in the area goes out to hunting blind, son leaves to get something, comes back and he’s just gone. Next day found face up in shallow water, about 20 feet from the shore line in 3 feet of water. His shirt, coat and boots were all gone. The place he found in was over a mountain and boulder field, at least 2 or 3 miles away. Would’ve had to walk there overnight. And why would he remove his clothing?
Robert Winters elderly guy from Oregon 1969, 20+ years hunting. Family goes out hunting, meet up for lunch and Robert doesnt show up. Sudden strange change in weather and starts snowing. Strange weather is common in these stories. Over 60 people looked for him, helicopter.
Only footprints were found 7100 feet up. Called off the search.
Next year a man was in the woods and found a rifle up against a tree and reported it. But never found a body.
Eric Smith, 41. One eye. Went out in his 40 acre backyard. Flu before he left, never returned. 8 bloodhound teams, no scent. Not feeling good and then disappearing is a growing phenomenon.
One person took a picture and everything went silent. No wind, no birds, nothing. Hear their own breath and nothing else. About 20 feet in front of them they saw a distortion like looking at a person made of saran wrap. It’s moving but distorted. Like the movie Predator where it goes invisible. Student at nearby high school saw a giant bright light above their football field that got progressively smaller and disappeared, at the same time she saw the being.
Husband pulls out a video tape of Predator and asks if it’s what she saw, and it was exactly what she saw.
Crater lake – 5 or 6 missing children incidents.
Autistic son and father out looking for Christmas tree, son went missing and blizzard started.
Kids don’t usually go very far without calling out for their parents normally.
Kid on a military base went out for a walk with his dog and disappeared. 6,000 soldiers looked for him, nothing. On third day of searching they found the kid on a beach perfectly fine and healthy.
Common for people to disappear without a trace and then just reappear.
Family picnic, 6 year old kid and sister playing hide and seek and kid disappears. Within a couple hours a search party was going, 7:30 the next morning the kid shows up at a house 18 miles away uphill. No shoes, pants ripped.
Told people at the house he hid from coyotes, people said there were no coyotes in the area. He told local police he hid from helicopters, but the area he was wasn’t within the search area where helicopters were used.
Dad and 2 sons went fishing. One kid disappeared. They found him later that day asleep in a bush, but he was 11,000 feet up in elevation.
Jared Addedero, age 3. Remains found 550 feet above the trail he disappeared 4 years later. Found 1 tooth, shoes, jacket, and the top of his skull. Jacket was placed strangely on top of a log in perfect condition. Also found a Rubiks Cube.
Dennis Martin. 1964, Great Smokey Mountain National Part around Fathers Day. Kids playing hide and seek. Dennis hid behind a tree and disappeared. Another family called the Key family asked a ranger where they could see bears and wen’t to a specific area. They saw a bear and heard it make a soul-crushing scream, father said he didn’t think it was a bear. Bigfoot? Seemed to have something on its shoulder, the boy?
Rained for a week straight. Air force and green berets from Fort Bragg came in. They wanted to be left alone and do their own search. FBI sent an agent even.
Park ranger attacked by a wild man. They thought it was just a hermit or homeless people living out in the woods, but maybe Bigfoot.
Weird thing is park services don’t seem to be willing to help find these people or share information on missing persons. Don’t want to scare people away from the park. Researching these stories makes you want to never go to the woods again.
Even FOIA (freedom of information act) requests get rejected sometimes.
One book called The Devil’s In The Details. Lots of people go missing in places with devil in the name… devil point, devil’s cliff, devil’s nest. Supernatural names.
Not just parks. Guys walking home from bars and end up in the water drown. Not just because they were drunk, not murdered. Homeless people don’t just disapper and drown.
One guy finished baseball game, his wife was a mile away when messaging her. When she got there he was gone and drowned in the water.
One time someone was even on the phone saying they were at such and such intersection, and the person was there and didn’t see them.
Close calls…. people have posted on Reddit. They could be in a familiar spot where they’ve been tons of times, and it’s like someone flips a switch and suddenly they have no idea where they are. Could be some kind of weird fugue state or amnesia.
Common for everything to go completely silent… no wind, no animals.
Sometimes people think they see someone following them peeking around the trees. Or feel something on the trail but can’t see anything.
How to not go missing:
Have firearms
Be in a group
Have transponders
Possible reasons:
Mountain lions
Large birds like eagles for toddlers
People just fall down in a hole or something and can’t get up, break their neck
Kidnapped / serial killer (too big of an area)
Alternate dimensions / portal opens up
Fae folk
– Faeries in older legends aren’t little tinkerbell things. They will steal babies and replace them with fakes called changelings.
Bigfoot
People stumbling across meth labs? (People would find stills or grow ops when searching. You wouldn’t want to make people disappear.)
Crystals or magnetic rocks in the ground messing with your mind or disorienting you
Demonic possession
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In the next episode, I’m going to talk about Dead Internet Theory.
Just a reminder as well that if you have a strange, creepy, or weird real life story you’d like to share on the show, you can email me. Secretgrasp at gmail.com. You can either send an MP3 file of yourself telling the story, or write it out for me to read on the show.
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